| From: | Jack Enman-Beech <jenmanbeech@gmail.com> |
| To: | obligations <obligations@uwo.ca> |
| Date: | 18/11/2022 11:53:58 UTC |
| Subject: | Re: ODG: Vicarious Performance in Contract Law |
Dear Ger & Ors, There's a slight problem here. The mere fact that you performed badly, ie broke your contract in performing, doesn't stop you claiming the price of performance: see cases like Hoenig v Isaacs. The question is whether you have substantially done what you have promised (whether well or not): which means delegation needs to be separately treated. Andrew
On 17/11/2022 23:05, Gerard Sadlier wrote:
In the interesting case Andrew refers to and the hypotheticals he posits, the key question seemed to be whether there was proper performance i.e. did the counter-party provide (through a delegate or otherwise) that which they had promised. So in the solicitor's case, they had not provided the service promised because the employee was unqualified and that was in breach of contract. The same point would arise in the removers example he gives, I think. These are objections based on a failure to perform properly, rather than an inability to delegate. Surely, one can only object to delegation where either (i) one has expressly provided that the work is to be done by a particular person or class of persons (say solicitors or engineers or senior counsel of 10 years' standing) or to a particular standard or (ii) some such restriction is implied because of the nature of the contract or services in question. Kind regards Ger On 11/17/22, Robert Stevens <robert.stevens@law.ox.ac.uk> wrote:I don’t think agency can be a complete red herring. Contracts for the provision of goods and services aren’t (at least ordinarily) bets about whether someone or other will provide the goods or services in the future. Rather they’re agreements that one party will provide those goods and services. If I employ a builder to repair my bridge, I don’t necessarily expect him to do the work personally. If the builder is a corporation it will do so through its employees. Or it may be permissible to sub-contract the work to somebody to do all or some of it on the builder’s behalf. But if a stranger subsequently comes along and mistakenly repairs the bridge, thinking it was theirs, I don’t think the builder has performed and is thereby entitled to be paid. His obligation to repair the bridge may have been discharged, but here through frustration (the work no longer needs to be done) rather than performance. It is only if the work is done by someone authorised to do it on his behalf (or who purports to do it on his behalf whose actions are then ratified) that performance is thereby made. Performance, as the word implies, requiring some doing either by the promisor or somebody on his behalf. Rob From: Jason W Neyers <jneyers@uwo.ca> Sent: 17 November 2022 18:45 To: Krish <krishneel@gmail.com>; Stephane.Serafin <Stephane.Serafin@uottawa.ca> Cc: a.m.tettenborn <a.m.tettenborn@swansea.ac.uk>; obligations <obligations@uwo.ca> Subject: RE: ODG: Vicarious Performance in Contract Law I post on behalf of Steve Hedley: In principle it must be a matter of interpretation. For most commercial goods and services, the natural interpretation will surely be that A is paying for the goods/services to be provided, and who provides them is beside the point. But there would be some cases where the personality matters; for example, it would surely be implicit in most (?all) employment contracts that the employee should do the work, not merely that the work should be done. There are of course borderline cases, e.g. Boulton v Jones (1857). ‘Agency’ seems to me to be a red herring in this context. 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Learn why this is important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> I agree with Stéphane, and think it comes down to what exactly is promised. Is it the result that has been promised, or is it the act/attempt, or both? If it is only the result that is promised, I can't see any problem in principle with subcontracting the work out to someone else. Krish On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 at 10:24, Stéphane Sérafin <Stephane.Serafin@uottawa.ca<mailto:Stephane.Serafin@uottawa.ca>> wrote: Absent a duty requiring personal service in the contract I don’t really see what the problem with delegated performance would be. The promisor is bound to deliver the book, and if the book is not delivered then the promisor is liable for breach. But if the promisor does deliver the book to the promisee, even through an intermediary, then the book has been delivered. Not to go full civilian here but the Civil Code of Québec has an article that expressly deals with this issue – art. 1555 – and I see no reason to think that the common law position should be much different. From: Andrew Tettenborn <a.m.tettenborn@swansea.ac.uk<mailto:a.m.tettenborn@swansea.ac.uk>> Sent: November 17, 2022 1:14 PM To: Jason W Neyers <jneyers@uwo.ca<mailto:jneyers@uwo.ca>>; obligations <obligations@uwo.ca<mailto:obligations@uwo.ca>> Subject: Re: ODG: Vicarious Performance in Contract Law Attention : courriel externe | external email There certainly are some cases where subcontracting has deprived a claimant of the right to the price. A nice one is the solicitors' case of Pearless de Rougemont & Co v Pilbrow [1999] 3 All E.R. 355, where a law firm delegated a job in breach of contract to an unqualified employee: the court was clear that however well the latter actually did the job the firm hadn't rendered contractual performance and couldn't claim their fee. -Andrew On 17/11/2022 17:14, Jason W Neyers wrote: Dear Colleagues: Suppose that A wants to ship something (a book) from Toronto to X in another location. A contracts with B Ltd. to do the shipping. The book arrives and X takes possession. It turns out that as a matter of fact B Ltd. did not do the shipping (or all of the shipping) but instead that other contractors did. Can A sue for breach? Can A refuse to pay the contract price if it is demanded by B Ltd? Why is the answer to these questions generally no? 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Institute for International Shipping and Trade Law
School of Law, University of Swansea
Richard Price Building
Singleton Park
SWANSEA SA2 8PP
Phone 01792-602724 / (int) +44-1792-602724
Fax 01792-295855 / (int) +44-1792-295855
Andrew Tettenborn
Athro yn y Gyfraith Fasnachol, Prifysgol Abertawe
Sefydliad y Gyfraith Llongau a Masnach Ryngwladol
Ysgol y Gyfraith, Prifysgol Abertawe
Adeilad Richard Price
Parc Singleton
ABERTAWE SA2 8PP
Ffôn 01792-602724 / (rhyngwladol) +44-1792-602724
Ffacs 01792-295855 / (rhyngwladol) +44-1792-295855
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